The title says all. More than anything my ego’s taking a hit – I really didn’t see this happening. But, so long as it happens as it seems like it will, there’s really nothing to be all that mad about. A single plug standard is what we really need, and while I’m not 100% confident that this will lead us there, at least with adapters we’re functionally there.
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One huge downside with the NACS connector is that it's not 3-phase in itself, so the charging station needs to convert from 3-phase to DC. The Type 2 adapter can handle 3-phase.
If you don't think that 3-phase is an issue you'd need to consider that 3-phase 400V is quite common in the European market. For chargers an international standardization is important.
However one thing that's I see should be improved upon is to have a better communication between car and charger so the charger can be aware of the state of charge of the vehicle. This means that as a car owner you can request the time when you want the car being at a full charge and if you have a group of chargers then the charging can be prioritized depending on when the car is expected to be usable.
Honestly, I'm torn. On the one hand, moving away from proprietary nonsense and towards standardization is a good thing. It will always be a good thing. On the other hand, I just don't trust Tesla's engineering. They have a massive history of engineering failures that should be concerning for everyone. The working conditions there make it very difficult to concentrate and get good work done. And the wealthy man-child in charge of it all is about as rational as I am a Venetian ballerina crab. And, knowing the direction that he has been heading, the last thing I need is being mandated to install a bloody app on my phone just to extend the ability to move my vehicle.
You have to jump through hoops and do flips to charge your vehicle. This is why I’m sticking to gas!
less than 2 minutes in and the lead is buried
I wish I had k own about the turning off then on trick. I bought a Tesla tap and when I got to a destination charger it didn’t work and I tried about everything. Returning it tomorrow I only know of one destination charger it’s near a supercharger near a friends house but he lives far away and I literally just bought it to try.
Hopefully it's all adapters and the US vehicles keep the CCS port. That way if the CCS networks ever get reliable 5+ years from now we'll have both networks available. Ford, etc. needs their owners to have a good charging experience even if it's just a perception thing. Extremely few people drive long distance needing to charge more than twice, maybe once or less per year. I used it twice in 2.5 years just to try it.
The other issue is that for years going forward there will be very long wait times at SC stations so more whining from Tesla owners. They also will all need to be retrofitted with longer cables to handle car ports in every corner of the car, and while they are at it they need to change all the layouts of the SC locations for people that are towing things. It's the same thing with these payment systems. Cell phones were the same way for years until they worked out roaming and now your phone works beyond your local area seamlessly.
Lets just make all cars use USB-C
I've been arguing for years that the "filling" station of the future once we get higher C rated batteries will work more like a community water system the station will replace its underground tanks with battery storage and the power running into the station will be a constant feed able to fill the max average weekly usage. Then you can simply use pay @ the pump like we've been using for decades. The lack of payment processing @ the charger simply blows my fucking mind.
Is it possibly a case of Tesla going to the razor/razor blade model? Like when IBM made lots from selling their PCs until everyone started selling compatibles, so the hardware was a commodity item and the money came from software sales. They see that their profits from selling cars are not safely diverse, so they want to sell the electricity as a major part of their business model?
If J1772 was all we had to worry about, then I agree that switching to NACS wouldn’t be a big deal. But, the fact is that for DCFC the CCS1 connector sucks. It’s way to large and not easy to wield. NACS is much better for people who have accessibility issues. The cables on CCS chargers are still too thick, so,that’s a problem, but at least this would be one less issue, at least, since it is more self aligning. I don’t think CCS1 is just as easy as a gas pump. You don’t really have to angle the gas nozzle perfectly to insert it like you do CCS. And sure, muscle memory, but for someone who has trouble handling that thick cable, having a connector that kind of self aligns would help. I hope it becomes the standard in North America across the board, even if Tesla chargers never opened to other cars, I’d still rather use NACS on every other charger.
I’m 10 minutes into this video and all you have done is explain why the tesla connector is better. It seems like the only reason you don’t like this result is that you have a personal bias against Tesla.
Why would you buy a new GM or Ford with 'the old' connection now? These will still be driving around in 10~20 years and their trade-in value will be much lower.
From what I've seen so far, most, if not all fast chargers are in dedicated parking lots, as opposed to on a street downtown, since they're mostly used on roadtrips, and at least here, where I live, next to a big-ish city, a lot of inner city streets have been turned into one way streets, and of those so far, all have slow, AC chargers (11-22 kW) on the left side. I'm not saying it's a standard, some other cities might be planned with kerbside chargers on the right side, but ultimately, it's anyone's guess, so one side isn't really better than the other. But that's just my observations in the field .
“As long as Tesla keeps it open”
Ukrainians stare in starlink
27:50 Lighting can only transfer at USB 2 speeds. Then says you have to realize what actually matters to people. As if iPhone users use their cable for anything other than charging.
One day I was looking at the stupid CCS connector that one company makes and I realized they tried to make it look like a gas pump handle. I think that alone pisses me off more than any other issue with them. "It needs to be familiar" nah screw off. No floppy disk save button bullshit on my physical connectors.
Left side – right side, right side – wrong side!
I'm with Bjorn on this one, you don't wanna have to walk around both sides all the time (like in some people's small garages). Just do driver side and British Tesla owners just got screwed anyway not getting new S/X, they are used to it.
The street thing is very minor, won't stick out more than a folded side mirror, especially for a thin AC cable. Also if you do it on the rear quarter, cars tend to narrow there anyway.
So screw up on 110 V and 220 V electric 100 years ago. And we screw up on drive left or right 150 years ago… And we are screwing up car charging right now
12:12 * cries in Leaf *
I can't wait till I can get something like an Ioniq 5
Seems like Tesla have the same type of users as Apple
Tesla and Musk self promote a lot…and brought EVs a lot further forward than other carmakers, partly as a result. So, there's that. Yes, that can get annoying (think Apple), but I'm more interested in seeing pretty well thought out, viable stuff.
Paying with cards is a marginal idea. A gas station chain gives a big discount for using an app for payment instead. And gas stations no longer allow tap to pay I've noticed. Unattended, or minimally attended, self pay credit card terminals, are a sketchy thing.
If CCS chargers can speak Tesla, then I might expect the CCS stuff to have both connectors for as long as it makes money. Going the other way, it might make sense for Tesla to install the CCS cables on their chargers.
Another point about attendants, we still use cash… How does a person charge their car when paying with cash? Also unattended credit card readers are vulnerable to theives installing skimmers.
The biggest thing is CCS ports and the associated cable and chargers are poorly designed.
Apple's lightning connector was better for awhile before the usb standard improved. Usb C is finally the direction I hoped they'd go.
Why can't we just have the best engineering design without the committee hubris or profit motives making a quagmire.
I wouldn't buy the argument that Tesla "might as well" support CCS language since they have to do it in Europe anyway. I work in embedded software and I'm baffled by the number of ways they make totally different systems in different regions in order to barely qualify as legal instead of just using the same system everywhere. It seems like they will only do something in a region if it is legally required, even if they are supporting a different region with more strict regulations that could just copy paste.
Maybe they will implement payment terminals at the charger but charge more like regular gas stations charge more for credit card payments to encourage using the app?
I have come to the conclusion that Tesla is the car version of Apple, especially with proprietary tech, and "We're better just because," mindset.
The biggest problem I see with having to use an app from the car maker is what happens when they no longer support the app? This could happen because the manufacturer goes out of business, is bought out by another company which wants everything to move to its app, or the original company changes the app to "upgrade it" breaking compatibility with older models or they just decide to stop supporting it. Look at how many people bought into smart home systems that were bricked when the company stopped supporting them.
This absolutely had to happen to make electric cars mover forward. The consistency and amount of Tesla chargers is unbeatable.
Every ccs charger company out there sucks they are just different levels of suck.